Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

New thread! Kidding!

But he hurts the enthusiasm of people from the criminal justice community as well as those concerned with economic justic.

he never even bothered to vet Hillary Clinton

Biden will destroy Mitt in the debate. I'm going to bed.

Why bother vetting someone who still calls you her opponent?

On a different note, Craig, 4 posts in one day? Does the IOC need to test your for doping? lol

Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) forced the controversial legislation commonly known as the "RAVE" Act through both houses of Congress as an attachment to an unrelated child abduction bill. The "RAVE" Act, also referred to as the Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act of 2003, was introduced as an addition to the Child Abduction Protect Act of 2003, widely recognized as the AMBER Alert bill (S151). The "RAVE" Act had not passed a single committee before being attached to the AMBER Alert bill. In addition, it was so controversial when it was introduced during the 107th Congress that two Senators withdrew their sponsorship.

The "RAVE" Act makes it easier for the federal government to prosecute innocent business owners for the drug offenses of their customers - even if they take steps to stop such activity
http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/raveact/

Let's Make a Deal with Sen. Joe Biden

Sen. Joe Biden (D) is continuing his self-serving, arrogant and conceited attack on DNC Chairman Howard Dean, this time telling Don Imus that "The Democratic chairman does not speak for me, an elected United States senator. No party official speaks for me anytime, anyplace, under any circumstances. And I think the rhetoric is counter-productive."

All good Democrats and progressives should make a deal with Biden: he can continue stabbing his own party in the back with impunity for his own self-promotion, and say his party doesn't speak for him. In exchange, Biden should agree to never, ever claim to speak for Democrats. Remember, this is a Senator who (among other things) led the fight to pass the bankruptcy bill, voted against limiting the interest credit card companies can gouge consumers with, voted against limiting predatory lending, voted against protecting consumers when their identity is stolen, voted for the Iraq War and voted to confirm Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. This says nothing about him perpetually floating his name for President, even though the last time he ran, he got caught pathetically trying to plagiarize people's speeches.
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/lets-make-deal-with-sen-joe-biden.html

Bump and Update: CNN confirms at 12:43 am ET that it is Joe Biden. So the world didn't find out by text message after all. The mainstream media learned it from highly placed sources. Nothing new here.
http://www.talkleft.com/

Biden's "forgotten" past.
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"Then in September 1987, the campaign ran into serious trouble when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.[24] Though Biden had correctly credited the original author in all speeches but one, the one where he failed to make mention of the originator was caught on video.[25] Within days, it was also discovered that, while at Syracuse Law School, Biden had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F in the course."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

KGC,

What Sirota doesn't mention about the Biden/Kinnock plagiarism thing is the fact that he had used his quote more than 10 times previously in a speech. It was just the publicized occasion he forgot to directly attribute it to Kinnock and the Dukakis campaign pounced.

If only Dukakis was as hard on GHW Bush...

KGC
on whistling past dixie

If this was a normal year I would say this ticket wouldn't have a chance. A northern big city liberal and a Northeastern Democrat from one of those states so small that they put their name out in the middle of the ocean.
The basic dynamic of the Northern midwest is between the Urban interest (democrat)and the Rural interests Republican, so that the states seesaw back and forth. I don't see the Democrats breaking this dynamic and the Republicans doing their best to exploit it.
The only thing that will make a change is that Bush has so screwed up everything that the Republican brand is toxic.

Good for this year but if the Dems win this and start squabling amoung themselve like carter years or pre 94 clinton years then those states can easyly swing back.

Jack

night all

Jack

A quick analysis of the Intrade data suggests the market started its final consolidation around Biden about 6:30 pm EDT and confirmed the market's decision in the 8:10am - 8:30pm EDT time period.

It would be interesting to review the news cycle starting around 6:15 pm EDT to see what exactly triggered the consolidation...

Jack,

some will argue that it took Dick Morris triangulation and an abandonment of core democratic values that led to the post 94 clinton years we all remember fondly...

Bear
Unfprtunately for Biden the Kinnock speech is not the only time he has plagiarized. He is a serial plagiarist
Sen. Biden's bad acts in lifting some moderately well-crafted phrases from Kinnock's campaign speeches into his own, or in lifting five pages from a law review article into his own law school class submission, or his exaggeration of his academic record weren't going to actually win him any elections, or confer any substantial advantage upon him as a politician. He also lifted material from the speeches of Robt Kennedy without attribution.

SoetorObama ALERT !!!
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In a few minutes, Philip Berg will discuss his lawsuit against SoetorObama on the "Coast to Coast" radio show. Tune in and learn about his "hidden" past.

G Man ,

The lawsuit was tossed. If it bears fruit, Biden could be Fortry- fourth.

44th. sorry

Wrong! Are you listening? If not, I'll explain it to you later.

what a night, i'll be doing a phoner for msnbc in the 2am hour, mebbe in about 15 minutes or so

Dallas Billionaire, McCain bundler, is anti-Obama group's backer.

"The spokesman for the American Issues Project, the independent group whose ad is the most negative of the cycle and links Obama to terrorism, says the group just filed a report naming its SOLE DONOR"

Simmons was reportedly a major donor to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004.

McCain's hands are all over the smearing. What an asshole old creep he is.

That's why they pay you the big bucks Craig . lol

This is great, like listening to radio watching TV with all the phone-ins. :)

I bet all you guys are in your pajamas on the phone .. lol

well i'm still packing for denver flight tomorrow, so not quite in the pj's yet

Cool I'm still up, looking forward to hearing what you have to say Craig. I think it bodes well for Obama that he went with a heavy weight.

I hope they have a good photo of you to put up .

Remember CNN made the really unfortunate error of reporting Congresswomen Tubbs Jones death prematurely on the word of a "Democratic official."

I really think this has all been an elaborate ruse. The Obama campaign has proved to be very good at deceiving the press (remember the press being trapped in an airplane while Obama and Hillary met in private.)

Moreover, why on earth would the incredibly disciplined Obama campaign hype up the text message so much only to have "Democratic officials" leak their top secret choice to multiple sources only hours before the message was supposed to go out to supporters?

If the unnamed "Democratic officials" really do know what they are talking about, the Obama campaign may be under some criticism for building this thing up so much only to have a leak before the campaign's official message.

If the vp choice is Hillary, the ability of the Obama campaign and the Clintons to keep this selection under wraps with no leaks, bodes very well for their ability to trust each other and work together.

I may be completely off-base, but Craig may be showing way to much faith in his fellow journalists to give credence to the Biden story.

It's all about attracting the demographics you need

Com'on Katie. It's done deal. Get with the program and forget about Hillary

Biden is a good choice for Hillary as he'll be too old to run for prez in 2016

Hillary who?

I have felt it would be Biden for a long time, as I posted frequently in the early hours of the past couple days, so Biden it is. What a contrast to Cheney he will be!
I would call Obama/Biden openly hostile towards Iran, and Biden has this 3-way division plan for Iraq as w all know, so this will be interesting.
I caught Ahmadinejad on with Charlie Rose, Rose baited him but Ahmadinejad held his ground in stating he wants world-wide total nuclear disarmament, and to use nuclear power only to power the countries.
Remember, Obama is really mistrustful of Iran's leadership, and Biden wants to shake the hell out of Iraq, so this will be worth watching.
We all know Lieberman (McInsane's poodle) has screamed into our living rooms how Iran should already have been bombed, and I feel a McCain/Lieberman win would ensure a January 21 bombing of Iran.
Do you believe Ahmadinejad only wants to light up Iran's electric plants and not make bombs? I wonder who can prove Iran really wants to make bombs , or who will create an atmosphere of Iran-hatred, spiced with lies that we need to bomb Iran.
McCain and his buddy Lieberman are on the record...this is one reason why we must forget 21-year old plagiarism and aneurysm old-news stories and elect President Barack Obama/Vice President Joe Biden.

Ian Punnett doesn't know enough about this to even ask sensible questions. Should have done some background research before the show. The technical analysis of the fake COLBs has to be seen - I've been posting links. This is a complicated story. No documents - his past has been scrubbed.

Has the text arrived? The longer we wait, the more sense Katie makes.

well i'm in the phone queue now, might be next, this really is like radio

Rezdog,

I'm with the program. I will support Obama no matter who he chooses and I do think Biden is the best choice, except possibly for Hillary. I just find it odd that the information flow has been managed so carefully until several hours before the much ballyhood text message. I'm also suspicious that the leaks are coming from unnamed "Democratic officials." That said I could be totally wrong and I'm not sure Hillary Clinton ever wanted the vp job anyway.

Mayby it's just impossible to keep the choice secret until tomorrow morning because of the secret service activities etc.,

Well, all the circa-2003 crazy hawk-talk by Obama was scrubbed right off the internet 18 months ago, in a China-like censoring of public documents. i guess that is a good thing, because those speeches and comments made Obama sound like he was hell-bent for annihilation of all of Iran.
Of course I can't document this post...there is no online documentation available..anymore.

They went with the old white guy after all. So much for Change"...This is a reprise of Kennedy choosing Johnson, complete with the big rally acceptance speech outside the convention hall...

wow it's hard to pack and hold the phone at the same time

My family's sleeping and I cannot turn on TV now...please someone post what Craig had to say on TV...

Katie,
Sorry if I sounded sarcastic about it, but Biden had acknowledged the selection.
i do agree that it's a mistake not to be right with the text messaging. Some will be miffed and not supportive.

Craig...didn't I hear you say your hotel is way out from The Pepsi Center? You gonna ride the fantastic Denver Light Rail into the center-city?

Claiming that the choice of Biden dilutes Obama's change msg is easily countered with "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". Also by all accounts the plagiarism is the worst thing you can say about Biden and Obama can easily point to Biden and say this is a man who represents what is good in Washington.

Also still curious as to how this is going to fill in the over 45 female gap. Looking back at poll internals suggest Biden does better with men than women. I'm also not seeing much of a cross-over from Liberal Republicans...Not sure what Biden really brings to the ticket other than foreign policy experience. I don't see much of a bump coming out of this. Probably won't hurt the campaign, but I don't think it's bringing anything new either...

i'll be riding the CQ shuttle bus to the festivities each day, Dexter, i think my hotel might be in Utah, looking at the map

well Spike...it definitely ain't going outside the Beltway...who is more connected in DC than Biden?

Here's the WaPo front (online) page...check out the great writer Davis Maraniss...he's got a story linked there about Hawaii/Obama....

Rezdog,

Sorry, if I sounded argumentative. I didn't take offense at your first post. I have been going back and forth on this all day.

Should be an exciting day tomorrow and an exciting convention either way.

I'll check back tomorrow.

Good night.

I understand Utah is nice this time of year...

this is sort of like airlines, every 5 min. they tell me we take off in the next 5 min.

hey it's the 21st century...I bet CQ has the shuttle WiFi'd for you folks! I hope the 5,280 ft. altitude won't flare-up your bum eardrum.

The "NEW" COLB has also been shot down! Factcheck.org is an Annenberg operation. Know what that means? I'll post links later to the analysis. Ian Punnett is clueless. He doesn't understand anything. SoetorObama will not show the documents. Just show the documents - if he has them. Let's see them. Why are we debating images on the net? Where are the certified hardcopies?

uh-oh...last time I flew to the coast from Port Columbus the flight was delayed SIX HOURS!

sorry...forgot to include the WaPo link...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/?nav=globaltop

This new face of CQ isn't working too well - all I get is the weeks posts from Craig, unless I click on comments. It never used to be like that for me.

Also, I just lost a post but don't know how

Basically what I said and then lost what that I'm a little angered by this junior high presentation of who is it?
False tension and weak letting the info out - it's not very impressive. When you look back over the last week and the "awe" about the tight secrecy, and then the official notification held off in order to announce it officially by text message - it looks silly to me.

I can handle Biden as vp - enjoy looking at him - but just think it has been childish.

Biden is very competent. Perhaps he will highlight the cipher that we know is Mr.Obama.

okay, i'm done. good night all, will be talkin to you next from Denver

Craig, got to disagree with you on a couple points...Biden showing up to a 4 mile long July 4th parade wearing an oxford shirt and brown Italian loafers didn't endear him to many Iowegians. People were openly making comments about it. He certainly wasn't seen as someone you'd want to drink a beer with.

It also didn't help that the local press made a big deal out of him paying one of the nice restuarants to open on Thanksgiving for a candle-lit, four course Biden family dinner...

Also, a lot of Iowan's first choice was Richardson, not Biden. Both Biden and Richardson's people were brought into Obama's caucus group by Obama's superior organization INSIDE the caucuses...In fact, Biden would have done better here if they hadn't insisted on not joining the Richardson group...

Nice save on the PUMA explanation (:>)...

The press in fawning over Biden instead of looking into what he really brings to the ticket aside from FP experience.

Craig,

Think you were closer in your January 4th column:

"Watching C-SPAN’s mesmerizing live broadcast of an Iowa precinct caucus on Thursday night, it was truly sad to see shell-shocked Biden and Dodd supporters get hustled by the big-brand candidate teams urging them to switch sides once it was clear that their ranks were not large enough to even be counted."

way past my bedtime. See y'all down the trail -- spike

Biden. MEH.

KGC -- Good point about Biden's role in the Bankruptcy bill and the votes on credit card limits. Delaware is the HQ for many banks and credit card companies. He was carrying *their* corporate water, whilst selling the little guy consumers down the river. Not exactly good lunch-bucket politics.

Of course McCain's voting record is much, much worse on Bankruptcy -- something that the O-Team could have used to push the out-of-touch-rich-guy narrative on McCain. It would matter to many people who are nervously teetering on the economic ledge these days -- a lot of those are in VA, given the foreclosure rate exceeds the national average. Maybe not now with Biden as VP.

Here is a good comparison of Obama's and McCain's votes on the bankruptcy bill.
http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com/2008/07/06/obama-and-mccains-votes-on-bankruptcy-amendments/

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
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Obama Tries to Quash Ayers Ad

"... the Republican 527 ad now hitting the airwaves showing only part of Barack Obama’s relationship with unrepentant American terrorist, Bill Ayers, has the Obama campaign worried. First, here is the ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Oytd6DaWk

Second, the Obama campaign has sent ... letter begging stations not to run this ad.

Obama’s folks are in a snit that their Golden Child is being associated with terrorism. Well, too damn bad. It is true. Barack was in bed with Bill Ayers for at least 13 years.

Up to this point Barack’s team has avoided scrutiny on this issue because the media is too damn lazy to do simple investigation. Barack has tried to pretend that Ayers was just some guy from the neighborhood. Bollocks!! Ayers hired Barack to run a multi-million dollar foundation for him.

This ain’t swift boating. This ad is true and Barack has to offer a credible explanation of why he climbed into bed with Ayers."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/23/obama-tries-to-quash-ayers-ad/

I think it's great Obama and Biden share so much . . . like charges of plagiarism, for instance.

BTW, here's what Joe had to say in 1988 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5kVRTU-iyk&eurl=http://blogs4mccain.com/2008/08/22/1988-biden-ad-the-white-house-isnt-the-place-to-learn-how-to-deal-with-international-crisis

Well congratulations to Joe Biden....

I hope the ticket wins.

Tom

I can not get over that Hillary was not even veted. Carville was on CNN yesterday and said she was treated very disrespectfully.by Obama. She was not even given a call about the choice. She has been out there working hard but apparently has had little contact with Obama.If I am seething about this I know Bill is also. I wonder how this will translate in his speach Wednesday night at the convention. I don't envy him.

Hillary gets stiffed
He didn't just diss Hillary.
He dissed 18 million voters.

Obama's Course Is Proving Hard To Map
Even Democratic Taxonomists Find It Difficult To Classify Obama Among The Party's Many Types -- From Traditional Liberals To Neoliberals, New Democrats, Blue Dogs And Net-Roots Activists.''
http://www.nationaljournal.com/conventions/co_20080820_3003.php

Barack Obama heads for victory rally - but the race is far from over
"Never mind that this should be a Democratic year with fully four-fifths of American voters saying the country is "on the wrong track", Mr Obama is running a long way behind his party. Polls show that a "generic Democrat" would have double-digit margin over a "generic Republican" but Mr Obama's summer lead over John McCain into a statistically insignificant 1.4 per cent"....

"It is not the image the Democrats need just now. Nor should they forget the last time the party held a convention in Denver, exactly 100 years ago when Williams Jennings Bryan - another politician known for his oratory - was chosen to run against the unpopular incumbent Republicans. He lost."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4592906.ece

(a) Change? What happened to the pundits' opinions that Obama would not want someone to step on His message of Change -- the most frequently used rationale against Hillary.
(b) Surprise? Pop? More like a Dud. I will be surprised if this first, important Obama decision moves the electoral needle in his favor in any of the Red states he needs to convert to Blue. Ohio? Florida? Colorado? Virginia? Missouri? The West? The South? The Mid-West? I don't think so! In fact, the opposite could happen, quickly.
(c) At some point, the Clintons are going to start distancing themselves from a disaster-in-the-making. They would not be alone within the Party super-delegates. They could offer to give the Convention speaking slots back. They could refrain from speaking ill of McCain, even take his phone calls and hold personal, friendly conversations with him. Let it be known that contrary to rumors, Hillary and McCain have NOT discussed the possibility of being his VP.

McCain to air Biden TV ad
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/McCain_to_air_Biden_TV_ad.html

That Hillary Convention Roll Call -- if it still happens-- just got more interesting!

John H -- The Clintons aren't going to distance themselves from the Democratic party. They are Democrats. But what they also won't do is lick Obama's shoes, like he and his cult demand.

They aren't going to genuflect before anyone, and that includes the new Joshua.

If Obama wins, I'm more comfotable if Biden is at his side. Biden may talk too much, but at least he says something.

Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence

By RON FOURNIER – 2 hours ago

DENVER (AP) — The candidate of change went with the status quo.

In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness — inexperience in office and on foreign policy — rather than underscore his strength as a new-generation candidate defying political conventions.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jpNkxhHYmi98B3GBk8AZqtJeWohgD92NT5P8

kind of like the text message about dropping out of public financing

Whew, now I can officially hope that Obama loses and do what I can to help. That would have been difficult if he had Hillary running as the VP. I really don't think he has a chance now.

I am a hard core Democrat but my intuition screams against Obama. When my intuition screams it is never wrong. It has done a lot of screaming since 2000.

I do like Biden but don't think he can do anything to help Obama. From what I have seen and heard recently, and that is limited since I quit most of the MSM a while back, I think others also think that choosing Hillary was Obamas only chance.

Carol

billy sturgeone has come unstuck in time........

Patsi;
Perhaps they won't distance themselves from the Party, but it seems to me, that by participating in a disaster, they become part of it and deserve part of the blame. Which is worse: Saying to Barack, "It's Yours Now, Good Luck!"? or Giving Your All and Having it said, "See, they couln't have won either"? I just don't see the upside for them. If they help full-throatedly and he wins, they get cast aside while getting little credit. If they help tepidly and He loses, some on His side will try to blame them rather than take responsibility.

Maybe they can add injury to insult by delivering Arkansas as the only Red State to go Blue for Obama, which neither Gore or Kerry could do. That would serve their own self interest for 2012.

ABC News: 'Dream Ticket' No More: No Obama-Clinton

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5496102&page=1

Interesting read... ABC does point out that a very small minority of Clinton supporters still plan to not vote for Obama, implying that the "PUMA" brigade are an insignificant factor in the upcoming election. I don't know if it's true but if the election is extremely close, PUMAs could certainly be spoilers I suspect.

For all those with a BHO sweet tooth...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/BARACKOLATE-CHIP-COOKIES/34688475630

Youse guys get inter da line, now, and support dis here cannadate.........or else.......ya know whadda mean?

This is just one of Joe's famous remarks. Biden? Biden? LOL

"I've had a great relationship [with Indian Americans]," Biden said. "In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

"As an American of Indian descent, I am very disappointed with this pick. If anything it reinforces the feeling that the Obama/ Biden ticket is an anti-Indian ticket.
Biden on Indians.... "You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking" (The guy doesn't even realize that he just said something racist)

Then Obama's campaign calling Senator Clinton the Senator from Punjab

Granted our demographic is probably not a huge swing block however it does send negative vibes to our community.
BTW, for all his talk of change..why embrace a nominee that has 30 years of Washington experience?
I cannot in good conscience vote Democrat this time."

Linda
way too much sugar for me.
Any more I make oatmeal cookies and at least double the oats called for.

Jack

John King CNN

"insiders on the Obama campaign call the candidate
ObaME because his ego is so big."

John H -- It doesn't matter what the Clintons do. According to the Cult, it will be their fault if O loses and "in spite of them" if he wins. It's the theme of the campaign.

Jack

So you can't eat the cookies...read the all the instructions, for the recipe...she has a message!!

Christine Lavin is hilarious!!

"Also by all accounts the plagiarism is the worst thing you can say about Biden and Obama can easily point to Biden and say this is a man who represents what is good in Washington."

Good in Washington? The Bankruptcy bill? The most regressive drug legislation since Nelson Rockefeller? Being a plagiarist is the best thing you can say about Biden.

I like Joe Biden. He's my kind of guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE

Random and his fellow socks do point to one short coming for Biden. He has a long record in the Senate, he has a voting record that anyone can find a vote that the can take offense with.

That is the problem with senators.

Jack

LOL@ foghorn clip

Jack

craig, who are those "lunch-bucked" democrats you mentioned?

"Even Democratic Taxonomists Find It Difficult To Classify Obama Among The Party's Many Types -- From Traditional Liberals To Neoliberals, New Democrats, Blue Dogs And Net-Roots Activists.''
chloe, they didn't list the newly minted democratic group called 'trolls" (typically ranting old lady liberals).

Well, Biden as the choice has got Obama at least one more vote. One Rebublican I know told me she'd vote for Obama if he chose Biden....so there you go.

well......vice president "joe" would be an immense improvement over vice president "dick".

a sock puppet would be an immense improvement

"I asked a friend who knows someone who has seen the video to Michelle Obama making disparaging remarks about “white” folks. You know, those angry God hugging, gun toting mouth breathers. He wrote me the following:

But there is a very strange air about Republican operatives. In the last three weeks, I’ve talked to real insiders in VA, GA, AL and here. They all remind me of a unit waiting to cross the line of departure on an attack. Quiet, determined, last cigarette, last “can of peaches out of the ration,” radio checks, confident. They all use the term “safely nominated” when referring to Obama. That is weird.

They can’t wait to start taking Barack apart on the issues the media chose to ignore up to this point. And when the attacks intensify Joe Biden’s foreign policy expertise won’t matter one whit."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/23/obama-tries-to-quash-ayers-ad/

Sturge

the stuff on the bottom of my shoe is an improvement over "dick".

That is not a ringing statement of support there.

BTW I like Joe, always have.

Jack

yep......Im fine with Joe......
I just wanted to write vice president "dick"

lol

My point precisely, Patsi! They are going to get blamed if he loses and no credit if he wins. So, if it were me, I would opt to be clear that it's his to win or lose. If He doesn't ask -- maybe even beg -- me to do something, I won't. It will be clear that He didn't ask or that I did what He asked, as long as it was reasonable.

It's his expand-the-electoral-map strategy that Party Liberals bought into, a strategy that is now looking like a Fairy-tale. It's his constituencies that includes Party Liberals and the Fifth Estate who thought they represented a majority of the electorate. He chose Biden in his first major policy decision. His ego vetted VP contenders without considering Hillary's input and potential contributions. But who vetted Him?

While you're right there will always be some to blame the Clintons if the One loses, the Winning Majority of the electorate will see the truth and realitiesWhy d it to the Dems when they seem to do it to themselves.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/obamabiden.html#comment-131670

Chloe
I completely agree with your comment! Hillary wasn't even considered or vetted,a big slam to her and her voter's imo.Joe Biden is a good choice for Obama,I like Joe.

I'd like to know about vp pick.....

what did hillary know.....and when did she know it.

I'm sure she will say, at some point.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
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Obama-Ayers Annenberg papers to be released

"AP is reporting the University of Illinois Chicago has relented and the CAC records in its possession will be released and made available to the public Tuesday.

In reporting this, AP briefly acknowledges the Ayres/Obama connection."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/obamaayers_annenberg_papers_to.html

Gordo
The University did not relent the merely got permission from the owner of the papers. Nothing there silly boy.

Jack

Dex "uh-oh...last time I flew to the coast from Port Columbus the flight was delayed SIX HOURS!"

The Ohlfahrt family spent a couple of really nice years at Lockbourne in the early 70s. It's where Stinky learned how to ride a two-wheeler. She practiced and practiced and polished the bike at least twice a day. And, the kids were there helping, too. One on each side of her hoping that when she fell it would be on top of the other sister.

Really solid people in the Columbus area; we were privileged to have been there.

Sturge

I believe the Big Dawg has promised to talk about it after the election.

Jack

Talk about empathy: It seems that Obama and Biden were about the same age in their first presidential bids.

Tony

We keep hoping for better from the Obama campaign. They are what they are.
It looks like the Democrat party is determined to remove the only successful demcratic president in the last 25 years from the Democratic history book.
Running away from Clinton has cost us 2 elections so far.

Jack

Jack

This morning, knowing that Biden was chosen by BHO, I thought that maybe I could vote for BHO.

Now, the longer I listen to the CNN coverage, I think not. Blitzer and King were discussing that BHO was looking for someone who could help him become a better president. I, for one, do not want endure another term, with a president who is not quite ready for the job.

Maybe BHO and JRB can switch positions!! That would be a nice ticket!!

BTW, what's up with Biden's middle name?...Robinette...yikes!!

tony and others

maybe Bill would not release his information and Obama team decided not to vet someone they could not go with for that reason alone? they did not have months to negotiate or time to waste

Jack, I really don't know how to refer to Democrats who aren't part of the Democratic Party. People like me who have declared their independence.

Or maybe I have that backwards. What should we call the cabal that refers to itself as the Democratic Party?

people who got it right?

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
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Behind the Annenberg Gate: Inside the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Records

"The records are held by the University's Richard Daley Library. Sadly, Daley's son, the current Chicago mayor refuses to endorse a call to open the records. Instead, he again today attempted to mislead people into thinking that Ayers and Obama are just "friends" when, in fact, as we will show here, they have been long time political allies.

Below is an analysis of what I found in the documents I was able to obtain.

the leading role that Bill Ayers played in the Annenberg Challenge;

the equally important role played by Barack Obama; and

the intensely political nature of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge."

http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/08/behind-annenberg-gate-inside-chicago.html

Whew, now I can officially hope that Obama loses and do what I can to help. That would have been difficult if he had Hillary running as the VP. I really don't think he has a chance now. -- Carol

Carol, my thoughts exactly. They said on CNN last night that BO didn't do enough to let HRC's supporters know that he was NOT considering her. Why would you consider the person with as much support as you so you could really nail this thing? As usual he just dismisses us and feels he doesn't need us. Let's just see how that works for him in November.

CNN said Obama didn't even seek counsel from Hillary throught this whole process.. Showed her no respect what so ever. Nor did he give her a phone call ahead of his decision or announcement that he had selected Biden. 'No Respect' for her or her voters. The new and improved Democratic Party.

Well I started with Biden because of the "divide Iraq in three parts", so he's fine with me for VP, at least it gives some weight to the lighter than air candidate at the top of the ticket.

If it turns out Hillary wasn't either vetted or consulted, It also means I get to take it easy. No need to waste time or money on the ticket. Just sit back and watch the parade.

carol and catbalu

you're hoping Obama loses.

not like you have any military family in harms way or know any people who need a brighter future or better shake than they got from 8 years of Bush Cheney.

smarter people than you two were saying there was not that much difference between Hillary and Obama platforms.

and now you hope Obama loses,

you are patriots. and classy and gracious too

jamie you're a patriot too

sit back and watch

with the rest of the couch set

the really bad part about all this is that this blog will not know peace for some time to come........

sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.....as old as time.

"No need to waste time or money on the ticket. Just sit back and watch the parade."

Yep.

Trip,
We are patriots -- thanks for noticing. We want the best for our country and BO ain't it. There is still time for the Dems, my party since forever BTW, to come to their senses and choose the best. Somehow I don't think that's gonna happen.

I do have family in harm's way, if you must know, and I do know people who could use a brighter future, myself included -- you are disillusional if you think BO will in any way help these two situations.

"not like you have any military family in harms way"

Military people are there to do whatever they are asked to do by our elected leaders. I have no confidence that the proposed ticket has any special understanding of how, when, where, and why we should employ our forces.

If they want to imbue some confidence in military people, they must absolutely embrace the Powell Doctrine. That should be comforting to military families as well as it would indicate that they wouldn't waste their family members' lives.

We can have a military where our soldiers never die--a military like that of most non-US NATO countries. Soldiers that parade smartly and stand guard at the halls of government.

Parallel topic. The Poles had the smartest horse cavalry in the world in the days leading up to World War II. That cavalry was so good that they tossed it into battle against invading Nazi panzers. So much for horse cavalry. And so much for not being proactive in demonstrating their unilateral willingness to do what they think is best for their own defense.

It's all about Ohio.

the troops overseas are giving Obama more money than McCain by a 6 to 1 margin, and Obama maybe 10 times as many contributions as Hillary.

that says something.

"the troops overseas are giving Obama more money than McCain by a 6 to 1 margin, and Obama maybe 10 times as many contributions as Hillary.

that says something."

Yes, it says the statement you made can't be supported by available FEC data that only reflects contributions of $200 and above. Be complete and truthful in your statements. Give numbers of actual donors and actual dollar amounts.

Please replace 'truthful' with 'factual' in my last. Bad word choice on my part.

Sigh. More foolish dems who take their slavish devotion to Hillary so far that they are risking throwing away everything that Hillary would have brought to the table as president (given hers and BHO's almost identical platforms). I sincerely doubt Hillary wanted the job, or even wanted to be vetted (nor did she need to, we all know all we need to about her), but the lack of vetting does make it easy for her to subtly undercut Obama. And they call him arrogant and Machiavellian.

No matter, most of you are probably republican posers stirring up crap anyway.

If you are honestly who you say you are, what about Obama, who shares almost every political stance with Hillary, makes anyone who supports him delusional that he has a snowball's chance in hell at being as strong a president as she? Based on the utter lack of logical reasoning from your side, I gotta conclude that you all are the delusional ones. Good thing there are a lot fewer of you than you pretend.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/obamabiden.html#comment-131711

Jack
Well said and I agree. I want my old party back..I like Flatus have declared my independence.I still believe in what the Democrats say they are for,but in reality any party that would turn there backs on the only 2 term successful Dem. President since FDR,well I want no part of them....

Nick -- Your post is BS. Just because there are those who dislike this particular candidate, you nsay they are "delusional"?

And as far as exact positions, I give you the FISA vote.

I personally believe Obama and McCain would both be terrible presidents.

So, Patsi, what to do?"

Obama's inner circle -- WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/07/14/GR2008071400059.html?sid=ST2008071400153

I don't have a great feeling about Obama's choice as far as the general population might perceive it. Biden feels like he has too much of a past for a guy who's running on Change.

Craig, hooray, you're in the thick of it now! Have a good time but BE CAREFUL. No falling off a mountain.

tt

Golly, Alicia, the series of unbroken blue circles in the inner core is scary.

mountain falling by a genuine Hag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TSldUUCcSA

http://therealbarackobama.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/1-1-1-bidenobama-exurban-league.jpg?w=534&h=364

I wasn't the first one to throw around words like "delusional," in case you weren't paying attention. If you truly think it's BS to use such words then I thank you for undercutting yourself.

And you still have shown exactly zero logical reasoning as to why McCain is preferable to Obama, vis a vis Hillary. Oh no, he disagreed on one or two minor points! I guess someone who is diametrically opposite of everything Hillary stands for (McCain) must be preferable, then!

But then a republican trying to troll political sites and create the illusion of a widespread rebellion within the democratic party wouldn't want to use reason.

flatus

you are nibbling at the edges

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html

from Open Secrets report

CRP's totals based on employer are limited to donors contributing more than $200, since information is not provided to the Federal Election Commission for smaller contributions. So these figures are likely to disproportionately represent the mood of officers, who have more disposable income to spend on politics than do the lower ranks. But because young people tend to be more liberal than their elders, the total dollar figures could lean even more in Obama's favor.

this is not a popular war and it is not likely the smaller donors under $200 are more gungho on giving to McCain.

a report there could be more lopsided.

and later in the artcile

Only the Coast Guard prefers Democrats across the board, with 78 percent of employees' total federal contributions going to members of that party, and Obama beating McCain $7,795 to $250. Navas anecdotally confirmed that soldiers are often conservative but that many are making an exception in the presidential race. "Most of my friends are conservative Republicans and they say, 'I'm voting for Barack.' McCain does not have a lock on the military vote, that's for sure," he said. "We'll complete our duty -- I'm deploying next year -- because it's a commitment I made to the nation, not to a president. But we all know that Iraq was a big mistake."

Morning,

Well, so much for an exciting VP choice. Nothing wrong with Biden particularly, I guess, he just bores me.

I thought I remember Obama saying that he wanted a whole new kind
of politics. Out with the old in with the new. . .Hillary and her generation were just so, well, know, ancient.

Biden is 66, considerably older than Hillary. And isn't he deeply embedded in all that OLD political machine that we were told, ad nauseam, throughout the primary Obama so hated. I'm perplexed, that's all.

Patsi
I fear your right.I guess for me its the lesser of well...If Florida wasn't close I would be voting for down ticket Dem's and sitting the top of the ticket out...

Opps, that should read, "well, you know, ancient."

i know prof marcia

he doesnt have a vagina either

how can he be any good?

and his wife hasn't cheated on him

as far as we know

and his staff can keep a secret and works well together

as far as we know

and his kid is going to Iraq soon

as far as we know

he represents no change at all

Nick -- I never said McCain would be better. I said I don't like either candidate.

I will either write in Hillary Clinton or vote for Cynthia McKinney.

The Obama people make such bombastic posts that I think we're seeing Democrats morph into Bushbots. "If you don't vote the way I say, you hate Amurka, by Gawd!"

Spare me the crap.

If Obama ever actually talks policy instead of preening and smirking ala "W", he'll win. Simple as that.

Thanks, TJ.

The point I was suggesting was that the available sample is so small, it's statistically irresponsible to extrapolate the entire population from that sample.

The typical soldier will vote for the ticket they believe will provide them with a sense of confidence that they will be 'used' appropriately.

FWIW, there were a couple of elections in which I didn't vote because of lack of confidence in either candidate.

Trip

I'll vote for him as simply being better than a Republican after eight years of Bush. He has to be better and McCain is a dolt. I just won't be involved in the campaign.

trip,

huh? i think you're trippin'.

Just remember this Nick -- through the primary, the Obama on-line mob posted the same thing to baby boomers over and over and over: "STFU and get our of our way."

Uh, okay. We're out of your way. Gewt out and deliver the signs, walk the neighborhoods and get your guy elected.

Flatus -- Little blue circles -- BO's theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP0wEcyaOT4&feature=related

Patsi,

I completely agree with you. We have the choice of two flawed candidates.

I'm still not sure how I will vote, but I know, now, it won't be for Obama. My heart
won't let me. I might write in Hillary.

Obama-Biden '08

Fine, Patsi, I'll take you at your word, but then my initial post wasn't responding to you anyway (it was intially prompted by CatBalu's "disillusional" [sic] comment). If you think it's worth it to give up women's rights to make a point, that's your prerogative. Obama has made plenty of clear statements of policy, but you all choose to ignore them in favor of complaining about the standard political rhetoric that all politicians, including Hillary, tend to spew.

Also, all of this still doesn't change the fact that most PUMAs truly are Bushbots.

It's unfortunate that any Hillary supporters, even if it's a small minority, have let themselves get so blinded by irrational hate that they are attacking their own party as being like the Bush-repubs. If you have truly studied all the angles and made a non-visceral, well informed decision not to vote Obama, then I cheer for you. You are a rare American indeed, and I would be very happy if there were more like you. Of course, you would also be the first "PUMA" I've met to actually fit that description, so forgive me my skepticism.

God I have a long memory for some things. I still remember this:

Biden Undergoes Operation To Curb Danger From Clots

And that was 1988.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEEDA143DF93AA25750C0A96E948260

He had arteries to the brain aneurysms as I recall.

Now if I could only remember what I did this morning.

tt

Patsi - That last crack about Obama's online supporters makes my point, and illustrates why I worry about people like you. You can't write off a candidate because some of his supporters are wackjobs (and I fully admit that description applies to some Obama supporters). I think if you were being honest, you'd have to admit there were plenty of angry wackjob Hillary supporters out there too, but that didn't mean that I wouldn't vote for her had she won the nomination.

Most people are too emotional when it comes to politics. I believe in strong liberal values like universal health care, women's rights, etc., so I have to vote for Obama because he is the guy who will give us the best chance of achieving those goals, especially with the incredibly important supreme court appointments coming up. Even if I were mad about Hillary, I just can't see how anyone can want to potentially throw away any chance of her goals being achieved, even if she's not the one to achieve them. But that's me.

Patsi why aren't you dancing a jig? On more than on occasion you said you didn't want Obama to pick Hillary. Biden is a great choice, well be a great attack dog during the campaign and has the makings of being a great VP.

"It's unfortunate that any Hillary supporters, even if it's a small minority, have let themselves get so blinded by irrational hate that they are attacking their own party as being like the Bush-repubs.

It always ends up back at the same place, name calling when the obots don't hear what they want to hear.

Since the rest of us are still on the couch all you Obama fans better get going. Saturday is prime canvassing time, so your energies would be better spent knocking on doors telling people to vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden. You might have to download and print your own lit since the Obama Campaign apparently isn't supplying it to the local campaigns.

Is this the same Nick that had the big fights in here earlier causing Craig to start deleting his messages? I don't think so because that Nick was anti-Obama, but the aggressiveness is similar.

Nick please provide concrete evidence that the PUMAs are actually "Bushbots" as you put it.

I'll say it again -- I am plugging my nose and voting for Obama, though after this vice-presidential vetting "process" and he recent move to the center (and some to the right) I confess I like him less that I did. I've committed my vote but my heart is very unsettled. For this vote I have to just focus on the larger picture ... keeping the Repugs out of the White House. If I let my thought processes stay focussed on my anger over the way Hillary has been treated, I'll end up probably voting Cynthia McKinney or even writing in Hillary's name.
However, the stakes are too high though to take this risk. For our future, I still urge voting for Obama/Biden '08

And in spite of great disappointment, I do think Obama is a decent man.

Nick I take it back. Your last post was very well written... sorry about that.

Nick,
Are you here on behalf of the Obama McCain or the DNC?

A statesman known for slips of his tongue

By EAMON JAVERS & JONATHAN MARTIN | 8/23/08 1:44 AM EST

Forget the idea that opposition researchers got cracking the very moment that Barack Obama announced Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate — they’ve long been poring over his records and background, and those of all the most likely vice presidential picks.

For all that, though, the likeliest attacks on Biden are all matters of public record, and often problems of his own making.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12735.html

This article worries me....

McCain=campaign

I am dancing a jig, Brian. She's not on the ticket. But as I said, she'll be blamed either way.

And re this from Nick: " If you think it's worth it to give up women's rights to make a point, that's your prerogative. Obama "

Sorry, pal. I heard a LOT of sexist crap from the Obama campaign throughout the primary. I've seen Obama start to waffle in late term abortion, when I know women who would probably be dead had they not aborted a brain dead fetus. And I've paid a LOT of attention to policy and more importantly, influence in the campaign. You tell me that the fact that Obama's delegate strategist's being lawyer/lobbyist for telecom didn't make his FISA decision.

Well, I am very glad that HRC was not the one.... I am extremely happy!!!!!!

Now, let us leave the woman alone and please move on. She is out and she needs to be left alone...

Let us see how the chosen one goes on from here.

PS people....be on the lookout for the polls after the democratic convention. they ought to be very interesting. Njoy ya weekend all......

Greetings from warm and sunny Amsterdam

ps.: my parents are fine....

One more thing: The response from the BHO camp regarding HRC was amusing... Why wasn't she vetted? Response: She was vetted during the whole primary...LMPO...Come on BHO, couldn't yo even come with something more original.....???? b